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Владимир, если проблема ещё не решена, то могу подсказать такую штуку. В моторном отсеке с водительской стороны есть коробчка с реле не та большая которая в углу стоит и с кучей предохранителей. нет не она а от этой большой коробки двигайся в сторону фары и прямо как на фото. так вот там есть 4 реле если мне не изменяет память, так вот потрогай их когда ты поездишь и та что горячая сними её и можешь оставлять машину на долго и для успокоения души можешь проверить при наличии тестера ток покоя когда машина засыпает это происходит минут через 7 после того как ты выключил зажигание и закрыл двери. Это реле отвечает каким то образом за вторую скорость вентилятора кондиционера, но почему то и без него 2 скорость включается без проблем и простой проверкой выяснила что сама распайка проводки и реле не соответствует функции этого реле т.е. иными словами силовые провода + и корпус почему то подключены к намотке катушки реле и соответственно она очень сильно грелась, но что странно выдерживала и не плавилась, а управляющие провода были на контактах и по моему мнению так быть не должно и я его просто выкинула и на функционал это не повлияло, сама до сих пор удивляюсь. БМВ это сила
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Владимир, если проблема ещё не решена, то могу подсказать такую штуку. В моторном отсеке с водительской стороны есть коробчка с реле не та большая которая в углу стоит и с кучей предохранителей. нет не она а от этой большой коробки двигайся в сторону фары и прямо как на фото. так вот там есть 4 реле если мне не изменяет память, так вот потрогай их когда ты поездишь и та что горячая сними её и можешь оставлять машину на долго и для успокоения души можешь проверить при наличии тестера ток покоя когда машина засыпает это происходит минут через 7 после того как ты выключил зажигание и закрыл двери. Это реле отвечает каким то образом за вторую скорость вентилятора кондиционера, но почему то и без него 2 скорость включается без проблем и простой проверкой выяснила что сама распайка проводки и реле не соответствует функции этого реле т.е. иными словами силовые провода + и корпус почему то подключены к намотке катушки реле и соответственно она очень сильно грелась, но что странно выдерживала и не плавилась, а управляющие провода были на контактах и по моему мнению так быть не должно и я его просто выкинула и на функционал это не повлияло, сама до сих пор удивляюсь. БМВ это сила

Спасибо большое за совет, проблема пока не решена, двух месячный отпуск пролетел быстро, но главные проблемы, которые меня волновали больше всего, решены  :dk: , вот остались теперь два вопроса, вернее три,  куда девается ток, есть ли у меня обогрев зеркал(зеркала с электро регулировками) и работает ли электро обогрев заднего стекла и поп  :--) . А по поводу этих реле, обязательно попробую, вдруг да и правда там косяк ) :king: , собираюсь наверно на следующие выходные в поиск попробовать ))) В эти вряд ли получится.

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И ещё есть один вариант проверки или поиска потребителя сажаешь возле аккума тестер на проверку силы тока - выключаешь зажигание и следишь за током покоя, вначале как было на моей ток утечки будет порядка 0.86А минут через 5-7 точно не помню ну когда машина засыпает ток утечки становился 0.08 и я считаю что это норма для спящего режима потому как сигналка и магнитофон включены и потребляют какой то символический ток. Ну так вот амперметр включён в сеть видим значение запоминаем, гуляем минут десять ждем пока машина уснёт двери закрыть обязательно опять проверяем ток если он не уменьшился то начинаем по очереди выдёргивать предохранители те что под задним сиденьем они там по 4 штуки в блоке стоят у меня их порядка 5 блоков было. Этим способом мы отключим всю бортовую электронику сигналку ЦЗ стеклоподъемники всевозможные регулировки сидений подогревы всевозможные и регулировки зеркал и подсветка всего салона. Если это ничего  не дало начинаем выдёргивать по очереди предохранители те что в подкапотном пространстве. Таким вот методом исключения я кстати и вышла на то реле о котором говорила. Удачи в поиске. Ну а если сигналка не штатная, то просто надо найти в ней тоже есть предохранитель и его попросту вытащить и думаю это надо сделать в первую очередь, потому как многие сигналки ставят кабы как...

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И ещё есть один вариант проверки или поиска потребителя сажаешь возле аккума тестер на проверку силы тока - выключаешь зажигание и следишь за током покоя, вначале как было на моей ток утечки будет порядка 0.86А минут через 5-7 точно не помню ну когда машина засыпает ток утечки становился 0.08 и я считаю что это норма для спящего режима потому как сигналка и магнитофон включены и потребляют какой то символический ток. Ну так вот амперметр включён в сеть видим значение запоминаем, гуляем минут десять ждем пока машина уснёт двери закрыть обязательно опять проверяем ток если он не уменьшился то начинаем по очереди выдёргивать предохранители те что под задним сиденьем они там по 4 штуки в блоке стоят у меня их порядка 5 блоков было. Этим способом мы отключим всю бортовую электронику сигналку ЦЗ стеклоподъемники всевозможные регулировки сидений подогревы всевозможные и регулировки зеркал и подсветка всего салона. Если это ничего  не дало начинаем выдёргивать по очереди предохранители те что в подкапотном пространстве. Таким вот методом исключения я кстати и вышла на то реле о котором говорила. Удачи в поиске. Ну а если сигналка не штатная, то просто надо найти в ней тоже есть предохранитель и его попросту вытащить и думаю это надо сделать в первую очередь, потому как многие сигналки ставят кабы как...

Это уже делал, вынимал все предохранители подряд, в рядок ))))

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И  что совсем ничего, ну тогда глобальней возьмём, т.е. на плюсовой клемме есть два провода, один толстый уходит в подкапотное пространство. а второй потоньше под заднее сиденье отключай их по очереди. Я повторюсь двери должны быть закрыты, ключ из зажигания вынут и должно пройти минут 10 и только потом проверять ток покоя. Ну куда уж проще определить в каком проводе уходит больше 0.1А и уж потом начинать искать. Да кстати то реле про которое я говорила выше оно подключено без предохранителей напрямую к аккуму. что по моему мнению было вообще опасно, потому как у меня это реле было постоянно нагружено. ладно бы питание было посажено на контакты. ан нет оно было на катушке и катушка грелась и могло привести к пожару. И на сколько я помню весь тот блок с реле что в маленькой коробочке что на фото там все реле соединены на прямую с аккумул. их можно тоже все выдернуть. и всё же если вы проводили замеры какой у вас ток покоя в вашей машине? и ток когда она не ушла в сон? И уж если и этот способ не поможет найти проблему, можно заключить что у вас с электрикой какой то "колхоз от дяди Вани" возможно один из датчиков закрытия дверей не исправен потому машина не засыпает. проверьте после 10 минут как машина выключена работают ли стеклоподъёмники или регулировка сидений, после 10 минут всё должно быть отключено и не должно работать кроме бортового компа при нажатии на кнопки, вот уж точно не помню какие загорается время. В противном случае ищите принципиальную схему и в добрый и нелёгкий путь в поисках колхоза или неисправных датчиков закрытия дверей...
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Бианка, начало темы почитай,там уже все написали,дело за малым :bm:а реле всегда подключаются на прямой плюс акки и лишь после идет предохранитель для защиты,потому как реле исполнительный механизм изначально находящийся в разомкнуом состоянии и если реле находиться на взводе то причина не в реле а в ее управлении вот именно там причину и надо искать
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Этот мир несовершенный
Состоит из всех из нас.
Он - прямое отраженье
Наших чувств и наших глаз.
Этот мир не станет лучше,
И не станет он добрей,
Если сами мы добрее не станем.
 
Если бы БМВ умела говорить, она говорила бы только три фразы:
1. Дай денег!
2. Срочно дай денег!
3. Смотри, как я умею!
   вместо того,что бы свежжий асвальт закладывать в образовавшиеся ямы и дыры, у  нас его кладут бугорком поперек ровной дороги.

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ток утечки  для машин бмв колеблется в пределах 30-50мА (0,03А-0,05А) в зависисмости от модели кузова

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И не только на бмв, на любой машине, а у меня 0,65 А.

Сообщения склеены:  10:38:22, 13.08.2012
Вчера пытался найти еще раз, но не было моего нормального тестера. В гараже оказался советский, но не рабочий и китайский стрелочный, на максимальный предел 150 мА. Но в любом случае его должно было бы хватить измерить десятку от ампера. В общем так как я уже предохранители вынимал, их трогать не стал. Стал вынимать все блоки и реле. Вынул все, сложил аккуратненько , отключил мозги, по ходу узнав что они бош, короче все релюхи и блоки что смог вынуть. Не смог из левой коробки под капотом вынуть черный блок и не вынимал из под сидения похожих два, хотя может они и разные. Как вынимается из под капота из черной коробки слева прямоугольный черный блок ? Я его пытался вынуть, он не идет, короче решил спросить  :bv: Поэтому и не стал вынимать из под сиденья тоже. Побоялся отломить. Да, при демонтаже релюх и тд, ток утечки возможно и менялся, но ниже 150 мА так и не упал. Тестер строго стукался стрелкой в ограничитель. Сигналку тоже отключал.

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Бианка, начало темы почитай,там уже все написали,дело за малым :bm:а реле всегда подключаются на прямой плюс акки и лишь после идет предохранитель для защиты,потому как реле исполнительный механизм изначально находящийся в разомкнуом состоянии и если реле находиться на взводе то причина не в реле а в ее управлении вот именно там причину и надо искать
Возможно замыкание реле, если оно подгорит и замкнёт то будет сосать эл-во и без управляющего сигнала. Было такое уже, правда на 99, реле вентилятора охлаждения, проверял поставив на место реле синала. бибикает без водилы постоянно )))
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Сегодня оправился с батей в поиск тока утечки ))) Я уже говорил,что до этого выдергивал все предохранители, и это ни чего не дало. Вчера дергал реле, но с левым тестером, сегодня взял свой цифровой, батя держал, я производил манипуляции  _\|_, короче ток утечки на тот момент был 3,4 А, меня это ужаснуло, стал еще больше чем раньше(0,65А), начал дергать все подряд и складывать в рядок, рядом с посадочным местом  :--). И о чудо, обнаруживаю реле, при выдергивании которого ток утечки падает с 3,4А до 1,8А (уже прогресс), на вид реле подозрительно легкое и выглядит вот так44485-0 , тихонько радуюсь, дело сдвинулось с мертвой точки  ^^. Решаю разобрать его, снимаю крышку и вижу !!??!!, внутри три заводских перемычки и все ! Начинаю понимать, что что-то тут не так и обнаруживаю включенные габариты ! Матерился по чем зря на себя ужасно, ну весь свой монолог опущу  :--). Ну что же, выключил габариты и начал все сначала  :bv:, кстати после выключения габаритов, ток утечки стал ка и было при выдергивании реле - примерно 1.8-1.84. Думаю на чем бы еще оторваться, все реле вынуты, мозги откинуты, ну нечему больше работать ! И тут приходит мысль еще раз откинуть сигналку(хотя я ее уже откидывал), в общем после отключения блока сигнализации, ток утечки упал с 1,8 до 0,01, сразу. Собрал все как было снова подкинул сигналку, ток утечки 1,8А. С полностью собранной электрикой(все по местам, реле и блоки по местам мозги в сети), с сигналкой 1,8А без оной 0,01А. Сигнализация APS какая-то.В общем советуйте что-нибудь ? Сможет ли уйти проблема, заменой сигнализации ? Или блок может быть не виноват, а виноваты криворукие установщики, которые что-то там на мастерили ? :cu:
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ну вот как я иговорила сигналку если не штатная в первую очередь отрубай. молочина причина найдена осталось дело за малым....аккум думаю дороже стоит чем сигналка или меняй или ищи кого будь кто сможет с ней разобраться. сигналка в любом случае не должна такой ток потреблять.Удачи и хвала тестеру... и папе который помогал...

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ну вот как я иговорила сигналку если не штатная в первую очередь отрубай. молочина причина найдена осталось дело за малым....аккум думаю дороже стоит чем сигналка или меняй или ищи кого будь кто сможет с ней разобраться. сигналка в любом случае не должна такой ток потреблять.Удачи и хвала тестеру... и папе который помогал...
Спасибо за помощь и поддержку  :bj: Имеется ввиду всем )))
Кстати сигнализация работает, открывает, закрывает . Орет )))
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В общем виноваты кривые ручки установщиков сигнализации, сегодня заехал к нашим новгородским электрикам, и причина оказалась в том что сигналка постоянно держала питание  на двух реле центрзамка, и они работали по снятию питания. Сделали на импульсную подачу сигнала на реле то есть наоборот, и ток утечки стал сразу 0,03А УРРРА  :king: :king: :king: _\|_ :--) ^^

 

 
 
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